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[personal profile] leeshajoy
As one might expect, I have Thoughts about it. Most of them are fairly trivial, but there's a big issue that's bothering me.

Where the hell is the First Order getting their funding from?

It made sense that the Empire could build a moon-sized planet-killer weapon. They were the Empire. They ruled the entire galaxy, and had a galaxy's worth of money and resources to draw upon. But the First Order is supposed to be working against the official galactic government. By all rights, the Resistance should be the ones with all the manpower and resources and the First Order should be scrambling for anything they could get. And yet the First Order not only has a massive, highly regimented army, but they managed to build a more powerful weapon than either Death Star, one that burns out an entire sun every time it's used (which seems like a pretty effective way to kill off everyone on the orbiting planets, but I guess that's less cinematic than a giant death laser).

Who footed the bill for the Starkiller Base? Will this become a plot point later in the trilogy? Or is it just lazy writing to try and reestablish the dynamic from Episode IV?

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Date: Jan. 18th, 2016 05:05 pm (UTC)
sdelmonte: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sdelmonte
I vote lazy writing. Indeed, everything about the First Order and the nebulous relationship between it, the New Republic, and whatever rim worlds the First Order is conquering is one of the things that undermined the film for me.

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Date: Jan. 18th, 2016 07:17 pm (UTC)
sdelmonte: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sdelmonte
There are a lot of weaker reviews out there. (I am on Letterboxd, and some reviews are terrible.)

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Date: Jan. 18th, 2016 05:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bjornwilde
Very likely lazy writing. Even if the First Order had sympathetic power brokers in the Inner Core/Republic, they wouldn't have the bank roll to fund Starkiller base.

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Date: Jan. 18th, 2016 07:34 pm (UTC)
bjornwilde: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bjornwilde
I'm not entirely sure. I haven't read much of the new Star Wars books as they have been written by white men and I have been doing the year of reading other people.

I know Star Wars Aftermath deals with events after the Battle of Endor and it seems like it's going to be a trilogy, so maybe they get close to TFA's events.

There's also the movie's novelization which has more info, but again, I haven't read it. Sorry I'm not more help. =]

ETA: I was also just reminded of Before the Awakening which might have more bits, especially the Finn or Poe segments.
Edited Date: Jan. 18th, 2016 09:44 pm (UTC)

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Date: Jan. 19th, 2016 03:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] genarti
I'm torn between figuring it's lazy writing, and figuring that it's a literal remnant of the Empire. I mean -- look, Return of the Jedi destroyed the central power of the Empire, with the Emperor and Darth Vader and the second Death Star, and that was the birth of the Republic from the Rebellion, yay! And... then you've got to actually build that Republic. On a galactic scale. Which clearly they did, and I assume we're meant to think they did a decent job of it, but there's a lot of space left for remnants of the Empire to hang out in, just as there was a lot of space for the Rebellion to hide in. It's only 30 years between establishing the Republic and having the Republic be under serious, serious threat by the First Order aka the revived Empire, which says to me that the Empire was never really eradicated everywhere. Since the First Order has a massive regimented army rather than being a scrappy guerilla resistance, my guess is that there are areas of the galaxy where the Republic never actually managed to get much of a toehold. So the ex-Empire got to keep a certain amount of continuity of resources and populace indoctrination in those areas, as long as they kept up either enough of a physical defense or enough camouflage or both that the Republic (out of pragmatic prioritizing or out of ignorance) concentrated on establishing itself securely in other areas.
Edited Date: Jan. 19th, 2016 03:39 pm (UTC)

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Date: Jan. 19th, 2016 04:41 pm (UTC)
frith: Blue pegasus with rainbow mane, thinking in cloud (FIM Rainbow think)
From: [personal profile] frith
There were several technical things (mostly distance and speed of light considerations) that bugged me and have kept me from seeing that movie twice, but I missed the funding angle! Good point! ^_^ Over all, I find this movie to be a sloppy rehash of Episode IV. But since I'm a sucker for triumph in the face of adversity stories, especially in a scifi/fantasy setting, I'll probably watch the other movies as they come out, just to see Rey kick ass.

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Date: Jan. 21st, 2016 12:29 am (UTC)
frith: Blue pegasus with rainbow coloured mane, laughing (FIM Rainbow Dash laugh)
From: [personal profile] frith
One can only hope!

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